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Date: 5/5/94
Start Time: 18:00:47
End Time: 19:46:52
Lines: 499
Chat length: 30313 bytes
Number of participants: 33
Participants: AFA Pieter, AFC Carey, AFC Donna, AFC Imma, AFC JohnS, AFC PeterS, AFL Bear, AFL GeneS, AFT Ilene, Alexis Kai, BarryP13, BrentWedge, Capt RK, ChuckS26, CZygmont, DaveL inCT, EarlChr, ETomF, Flight T, GGaynor, Jamielaw, JornEmon, JULIE B 72, Khag, MackMelt, Magnum812, Nara987, Netglue, PeteBoulay, SandersM, TishTash, Wombat3255
AFL GeneS : If you have version 2.0 or later of your AOL
software, it'll unstuff for you.
Magnum812 : Where do I put the file and do I get it to run?
AFL GeneS : When you download the file, if you haven't
changed your AOL software settings, it should
unstuff automatically at log off. Otherwise,
select the file in the Open dialog box (in the
File menu) then open the file, and it'll expand.
Magnum812 : When I try to open it says "the application
program that created it cant be found". what
dose this mean
AFL GeneS : You don't double click on the file. You select
it in the Open dialog box in your AOL software.
That message means you don't have the software
that created that file, but this alternative
will work.
Magnum812 : The file is a screen saver
AFL GeneS : Well, that's how you expand it. Once you do
that, you ought to have a text file with it that
explains how it's to be used. You're a new user,
right Magnum?
Magnum812 : si
AFL GeneS : Okay, it would be a good idea for you to pay a
visit to the Mac Beginner's Forum (keyword:
Beginners..
Magnum812 : o.k.
AFL GeneS : You'll find a lot of helpful information
there.... or up a copy of "Using America Online"
at your book store. (plug.)
ETomF : anyone have any word on QT 2.0
EarlChr : I've heard that QT 2.0 beta goes to developers
this month.
ETomF : makes me wish I'd bought the Developer CD!
EarlChr : I just quit being a developer, so my NDA's over.
Of course, I won' get the beta ;-(
ETomF : people keep talking about the NDA... you don╒t
have to sign one to get the Developer CD series,
do you?
AFL GeneS : I have two with Apple for various things.
EarlChr : I thought you had to be an associate developer
to get the CD's
AFL GeneS : It is something you sign in order to view and/or
beta test hardware/software to protect the
manufacturer.
AFA Pieter : Nope just have $250 for the subscription
ETomF : Gene, I understand you need them for other
things...just wondering about the Dev CD mailing
EarlChr : Still more than it's worth to me.
ETomF : Thanks Pieter... There was a confusing thread in
the message boards concerning NDAs and Quick Draw
GX
Jamielaw : hi, does anyone know where I can get a copy of
apple file exchange to download?
AFL GeneS : Jamie: It's on your system disks. We lost bear.
Jamielaw : no it isn't. I got Macintosh PC exchange instead
AFL GeneS : You have a new Mac or Power Mac Jamie?
Jamielaw : performa 405. got it last November
AFL GeneS : Jamie: PC Exchange is sufficient to copy the
files over to your Mac.
Jamielaw : it won't copy the files from quicken I didn't
get a systems disk. All I got was a Utilities
disk. Everything else was loaded already
AFL GeneS : Jamie: You have a Performa right?
Jamielaw : yes. Does anyone know where I can download it?
AFL Bear : Jamie, it's commercial and not available for
download. Try you mail order places. Cool, but
now you know what was wrong. :) GA, Julie.
PeteBoulay : OK bear...I downloaded system 6.08 tonight and
did everything it said to do not the mega-file
file brought it down--used diskcopy -threw it on
appropriately new floppies... and was told that
the utilities 1 disk didn't have the right info
on it
AFL Bear : After you made the floppies from the disk image
files did you lock the floppies before using
them?
PeteBoulay : uh...no but they transferred into files
AFL Bear : Let me explain.. This is good info for everyone
who works with installers and floppies. Often
the installer scripts check the modification
dates on the files and/or the disk to verify the
right software is in place.. An unlocked floppy
can easily have the mod dates changed on them,
thereby causing the installer to complain. Try
making the Utilities 1 disk again, and lock the
floppy, and I bet your trouble is gone.
Something happened to change the Utilities 1.
I've seen this happen many times, especially
when I was doing support with Apple. Does that
info help, Pete, about the disks?
PeteBoulay : <-currently running Mac write ii version
1.0v1..waiting for 1.1 yes
AFL Bear : Let me know how you make out after you make a
new floppy, ok?
PeteBoulay : bear--the dude who works Macs from my college
came over and fixed it
JULIE B 72 : segments of Apple Doc-----Viewer. finally
dnlded stuffit lite. has any one else complained
AFL Bear : Hmmm... No, but I'd be happy to help you off-line
if you'd like.
JULIE B 72 : about unstuffit 3.0.x not knowing what you want
from it?
AFL Bear : I thought I uploaded that in self extracting
segments, too. I'll have to check. OK?
JULIE B 72 : NO IM EXHILARATED ITS cool . just wondered cause
..you may need to update the file instructions
AFL Bear : Thanks, Julie. I'll check on it and fix what's
needed.
AFC Imma : Aaaahhhhh... don't feed me to the ... I'm too
young .... no wait a minute, here's a real
question... Anybody have a system 6 mouse
practice disk? Maybe an image to download
somewhere?
AFL Bear : Not me. That's a CPU only product, Imma.
AFC Imma : Haven't been able to find it. Maybe someone has
one they could make an image of for me? GA
AFL Bear : That's illegal. Can't have you doing that in
this forum. :)
AFC Imma : No, I mean that mouse practice disk that came
with system 6. Remember?
AFL Bear : It's still part of the Apple license.
AFC Carey : You mean the tour disk?
AFC Imma : Yes, the tour disk. Can download the rest of
system 6. Why not that?
JornEmon : I remember it. I think that my parents may have
on stashed somewhere...
AFA Pieter : Imma have you contacted Apple and asked for a
replacement?
AFL Bear : Not the Tour disk. It came with IIsi machines.
And maybe some LCs
JornEmon : otherwise, try a college computer lab. They
never throw ANYTHING away!
AFC Imma : Gee, the obvious answer eluded me, Pieter. I'll
call Apple. Thanks :)
AFC Carey : I forgot that MP came with the si and LC... That
was a looooooong time ago... :)
AFL Bear : Jorn. You want to make a net installable System
7, eh? Make a folder called something like "Net
Installs" on your drive, then drag a copy of
each floppy icon
JornEmon : Not for a network, just yet. I'd just like to
make a boot-able optical for emergencies.,
AFL Bear : to that folder. When you're done, all you have
to do is launch the installer from inside the
first folder called Install. :) Net Install
really means installed from a mountable volume.
JornEmon : It wont ask for the individual floppies?
AFL Bear : It could be networked, or attached. Nope.
JornEmon : Very cool... thanx.
AFL Bear : It will see folders with the same names as the
floppies, and will work. There is a FAQ in
MOS... about this. You can look there for
detailed instructions. See our Frequently Asked
Questions folder in MOS>
JornEmon : I'll give it a whirl.
JULIE B 72 : id like to review opinions of compression
routine pros=cons ie disk doubler v. stuffit v.
compact pro in specific now.. I just learned of
Aladdin╒s enhance for a file handler where you
can see into their compressed archives
AFA Pieter : Well DD and SD do much the same thing. They
both are excellent at file level compression
JULIE B 72 : there is a cost to this its commercial but
though I use dd now / and like copy doubt a lot,
aol lost my address book because it was
compressed this is a drag and happens all the
time
AFA Pieter : AOL does not deal well with it own data files
being compressed. ga
AFC PeterS : I'm using AutoDoubler, and I have my AOL data
files excluded and the application compressed
with AIC.
AFC Carey : Correction, AOL does not deal at ALL with its
data files being compressed. Go into the AD
control panel and exclude the AOL folder.
AFA Pieter : That╒s what I had to do. GA
JULIE B 72 : if anyone has a combination they like or can
recommend a discussion string id like to resolve
this I only have 80 Meg HD.
AFC Carey : If you don't exclude the AOL files, you will
continue to have the problem, with DD or SD, as
far as I know, Julie.
JULIE B 72 : yes I can work the control panel/just don╒t know
what needs protection until it balks
AFC PeterS : You don't have to exclude the whole AOL folder,
only the Online Files and Online Tools.
JULIE B 72 : ???? one more thing is there a util or file
handler that can view those archives compressed
that you know of I mean dd's
AFC PeterS : Well, DD 4.0 let's you, sort of. I╒m not sure
exactly what you mean; reading text files in...
compressed archives?
AFA Pieter : Not yet, but I would assume that they are
addressing the situation.
JULIE B 72 : I like dd because Symantec╒s NUM is my other set
and I feel the same stuff must be
compatible[?] m maybe I should ask them
AFC PeterS : NUM is equally compatible with DD and StuffIt,
Julie.
JULIE B 72 : yeah/ but is there an archive I can ref on this
that you know of/then ga
AFL Bear : Julie, try the Aladdin and Symantec forums in
the Industry Connection area.
JULIE B 72 : [sorry , didn╒t know there was a topic[blush]
Khag : Any found a work around lack of FPU emulation on
PMac?
AFA Pieter : Sure, use Software FPU like Gene and I do. ga
Khag : Tried it but it won't work w/ ACAD AutoCad)
AFC PeterS : Which version did you use?
Khag : 12 Need another way. I will loose my M a c!!!
AFA Pieter : It worked just fine with Vellum
AFC Carey : If I am not mistaken, AutoCAD won't work with a
software FPU, but you could call them and ask.
AFA Pieter : Have you talked to AutoDesk?
Khag : Good suggestion P... We call Mac development
manager at AutoDesk and he yawned.
CZygmont : I have heard that AutoCAD will take over a
computer, at least an IBM type.
AFL Bear : Some programs bypass the Apple toolbox to make
FPU calls by calling the hardware directly.
This is an Apple no-no, and bound to break on
new CPUs. ga
AFA Pieter : Well have you looked at Vellum or the other new
CAD programs that are native on the PowerMac?
Khag : AutoCad is not favorite, but I exist with a few
others in an ocean of PC engineers who use Acad,
with whom I must exchange files
AFA Pieter : I am pretty sure that Vellum and the other CAD
programs will exchange files with AutoCad
Khag : Come on! I need help :)
AFL Bear : What we're saying here, Khag...is that there is
no help to be had, except from AutoDesk..
AFA Pieter : I would suggest that you call Ashlar and other
makers of CAD packages
Khag : Suggestions! Creativity by OS geniuses!
AFL Bear : cuz I'm 99% sure they are calling the hardware
directly.... and there is NO software fix for
that except in the application. Does that seem
like it makes sense, Khag? ga
Khag : AFL MacArt said same thing 3 wks ago, but I
thought something might have surfaced since then
AFL Bear : Nope. It's almost a sure thing. I know a lot
of the ACAD programmers.
JULIE B 72 : OK aargh I keep complaining about this...... I
just looked it up again called MACRO MAKER was
apple supplied keystroke macro sys 6 had
AFL Bear : They're wrong, then Julie. It was sold to Go,
and I'm not sure if they are still selling it or
not.
JULIE B 72 : mac bible reports 7.1 has not got it and it
doesn╒t work with it I feel I have a right to
this
AFL Bear : Julie - get QuicKeys - you'll be a lot happier.
JULIE B 72 : you guys I know don╒t work for them, but my
opinion is back to six until I can avoid having
to use all those nice features in 7 in an
iterative way but that╒s actually not true/ I
just have to bite the bullet and buy apple
script sorry yeh I╒m done
CZygmont : Do you think the next version of System 7, 7.5,
7.7, 8, whatever, should be an interface
overhaul?
AFC PeterS : As for the interface overhaul, most of the mods
planned for 7.5 and 8.0 appear to be more
internal than interface, although QDGX will
change quite a few things.
CZygmont : Do you think Sys 7 needs one to keep fresh/up
(like it needs to) with Windoze?
AFL Bear : Hold a second, too, Julie, and we'll deal with
your question in detail. A little slow. Not too
bad, though. Yes, CZ, they need to keep the OS
moving ahead or they will lose out. It won't
matter if they call it System 7 or a pancake,
but the need to advance will be constant.
CZygmont : I certainly wouldn't want that to happen!!
AFL Bear : Interoperability will be a keyword, too.
AFC PeterS : Agreed. There are some iffy interface items that
need real sprucing. Printing is about to be
fixed with drag-n-drop printing instead of the
chooser. That's one small but important example.
AFA Pieter : Just remember MS is working long and hard at
cloning System 6 in the form of Chicago
CZygmont : System 6 or 7?
AFL Bear : Nice analogy, Pieter. I have a flash bulletin
from Apple! Where is System Update 3.0? System
Update 3.0 has not been released yet, contrary
to the MacWeek article of
AFA Pieter : Not on Applelink last I checked ;)
AFL Bear : 05.02.94. System Update 3.0 will be posted here
as soon as it is available, hopefully within the
next week.
Flight T : Why did Apple discontinue the Power CD?
AFA Pieter : Probably they did not sell enough...Besides I
hear that Apple PIE lost money last year ga
CZygmont : I hear Apple PIE is going to get axed.
Flight T : what is PIE?
CZygmont : nope, that was StarCore sorry.
AFA Pieter : Well I doubt axed, probably just cut up into a
number of pieces. ga
CZygmont : PIE = Personal Interactive Electronics I think.
AFC Donna : how about 'sliced'
MackMelt : Anyone know if Plaintalk can run on an '030
LCIII?
AFA Pieter : I think the text to speech software might, but
not the speech recognition Anyone else know for
sure?
AFC Carey : Yes, Pieter...
TishTash : I use it on a 12 Meg LC III, it works great!
AFC Carey : Speech Manager works, but not Recognition.
AFL Bear : Pieter, you're right.
MackMelt : Heard I would need Macintalk Pro(?) & Speech
Manager (?) for Text 2 Speech?
AFL Bear : One or both, yes.
TishTash : I still don't know exactly what the diff between
Macintalk and Speech Manager is.
AFL Bear : Macintalk Pro includes the new SM, I think.
MackMelt : Thanks, (tip of hat)
TishTash : 1) When is the new AOL book coming out? 2) What
is the technical difference between Macintalk
(commercial?) and PlainTalk (system?).
AFL Bear : The book is out, and I╒ll let someone else
tackle #2. :)
AFC Carey : Tish, there's an entire Technical Reference
about that :)
TishTash : What's it called?
AFC Carey : I'll have to check the dev CD...
Wombat3255 : Ok, does anybody know any kind of upgrade for
the MacTV?
AFC PeterS : ! I know of none. I suggest you ask in Mac
Hardware (MHW). GA
TishTash : ! There is currently no upgrade, in fact, it's
probably an end-stage line. The acceptance of
the machine was overestimated by Apple. Not many
units were sold (esp. considering you can get
something similar on an AV Mac)
Wombat3255 : Yeah, thanks everyone!
DaveL inCT : I understand Apple is releasing System Upgrade 3
soon. Does anyone know when?
AFA Pieter : Dave, Apple says maybe this week, maybe next
AFL Bear : System Update will probably happen in the next
10 days or so. We may not see it here for a week
or two after that. MacWeek lied. ;) It is not
released yet.
CZygmont : MacWeek lied, NO WAY!
SandersM : What will it do?
AFL Bear : OK, MacWeek was errant in their reporting.
AFC PeterS : It will fix MacWEEK's problems with accuracy.
AFT Ilene : Apple sent me a notice that it was out too on
ALink!
JULIE B 72 : this is not a new version as 7.0 to 7.1 to 7.5
but like 7.1.3??
AFC PeterS : No, it won't change the System version.
AFL Bear : Julie, I don't expect will increment the version
number of the OS, but may contain some updated
parts of the System Software.
JULIE B 72 : will folks down load the update on-line?
AFC PeterS : Just as with System update 2.0.1 and Hardware
System Update 1.0, it's an add-on.